{"id":2383,"date":"2014-08-14T04:08:33","date_gmt":"2014-08-14T04:08:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/courses.candelalearning.com\/cheminter\/?post_type=chapter&#038;p=2383"},"modified":"2016-08-24T15:22:07","modified_gmt":"2016-08-24T15:22:07","slug":"engaging-in-discussions","status":"publish","type":"chapter","link":"https:\/\/courses.lumenlearning.com\/umes-cheminter\/chapter\/engaging-in-discussions\/","title":{"raw":"Engaging in Discussions","rendered":"Engaging in Discussions"},"content":{"raw":"Online discussions in this course are considered an important learning activity because it offers everyone a chance to contribute their thoughts about the content we are studying as well as reflect on the ideas of others in the class.\r\n\r\nEngaging in a healthy discussion while employing\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.albion.com\/netiquette\/corerules.html\" target=\"_blank\">Netiquette<\/a>\u00a0builds community, allows students time to consider ideas and incorporate research into their response, and develops critical thinking and writing skills necessary for success at the post secondary level and beyond.\r\n\r\nIt is important that each student cultivates an atmosphere of respect in both Primary Posts (your initial thoughts about the topic) and Secondary Posts (your responses to your classmates' Primary Posts).\r\n\r\nAlthough there are minimum word counts and posts expected to earn full credit, your posts should encourage a discussion, a back and forth exchange of ideas, that should strive to extend beyond the minimum requirements.\r\n<h2>Tips for Online Discussions<\/h2>\r\n<ul>\r\n \t<li>Edudemic's\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/globaldigitalcitizen.org\/5-online-discussion-tips-for-students\" target=\"_blank\">5 Online Discussion Tips For Students<\/a><\/li>\r\n \t<li>Saint Paul University's\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/ustpaul.ca\/upload-files\/DistanceEducation\/Online_Discussions_tips_for_students.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Online Discussions: Tips for Students<\/a><\/li>\r\n \t<li>University of Waterloo's\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/isites.harvard.edu\/fs\/docs\/icb.topic443476.files\/Tips_for_Online_Discussion.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Online Discussions: Tips for Students<\/a><\/li>\r\n<\/ul>\r\n<h2>The Primary Post<\/h2>\r\nWhen developing your Primary Post, consider the topic of the discussion and incorporate what you learned about the topic in the module readings, videos, learning activities, etc.\r\n\r\nStrong Primary Posts should reflect not only your thoughts but also synthesize the content to support your ideas, generally through citing the authors, their works, and the pages\/paragraphs that resonated most with you. \u00a0You may also choose to incorporate ideas from outside the required content, just be sure to cite all sources appropriately, such as by using a reference citation, hyperlinks, or pasting the URLs to the content.\r\n<h2>The Secondary Post<\/h2>\r\nWhen developing your Secondary Posts, restate what your classmate has said about the discussion prompt to show you understand what they are saying, and then follow up with your own ideas and reflections about how their ideas impacted you.\r\n\r\nStrong Secondary Posts should show how you've considered the ideas of others and extended them into your own thoughtful consideration.\r\n<h2>Examples of Strong Primary and Secondary Posts<\/h2>\r\nThe following offers an example of a Discussion Prompt, a student's Primary Post, and a student's Secondary Post response:\r\n<h3>Example Discussion Prompt<\/h3>\r\nConsider what you've learned about Concept Learning. What do you see as the main forms of concept learning in the Paul Lindley case?\r\n<h3>Example Primary Post Response<\/h3>\r\n<em>Reviewing the Lindley case, I initially found a connection between designing the video game and instructional lesson plan materials for teachers with \u201cconcept classification\u201d in mind (Reigeluth, 1997, p. 8). For example, the concept of \u201cindividual rights versus the rights of the state\u201d (Watson, p. 49), would likely embrace designing instruction so students master the \u201chigher level concept..first, then teach its subordinate concepts\u201d either simultaneously or in sets (Reigeluth, 1997, p. 8). \u00a0Additionally, since the team wants the learners to feel in control of their learning, then the \u201ccriterion for mastery\u201d of the practice, in this case the video game, will need to be considered as well (Reigeluth, 1997, p. 9). \u00a0Although not in the required readings for this week, I did find the Morrison, et al, (2010) text helpful in developing Reigeluth\u2019s concept classification learning which discussed concept-related sequencing as four phenomena (Table 6-3, p. 140):<\/em>\r\n\r\n<em>Phenomenon 1: Class Relations - teaching characteristics of a class before teaching members of the class<\/em>\r\n<em>Phenomenon 2:\u00a0Propositional Relations - example provided first then the proposition<\/em>\r\n<em>Phenomenon 3:\u00a0Sophistication - begins with simple\/concrete and progress to complex\/abstract<\/em>\r\n<em>Phenomenon 4:\u00a0Logical Prerequisite - teach logical prerequisite concepts first<\/em>\r\n\r\n<em>Sources<\/em>\r\n\r\n<em>Morrison, G. R. , Ross, S. M., Kemp, J. E., &amp; Kalman, H. (2010). Designing effective instruction: Applications of instructional design (6th Ed.), New York, NY: Wiley.<\/em>\r\n\r\n<em>Reigeluth, C.R. (1997). Module 1 Application Tasks (Skills): Concept Classification. Unpublished manuscript, Indiana University - Bloomington, Department of Instructional Systems Technology.<\/em>\r\n\r\n<em>Watson, W. R. (2014). The ID Casebook (4th ed). Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, Inc.<\/em>\r\n<h3>Example Secondary Post Response<\/h3>\r\n<em>Interesting response, Hyacinth.\u00a0I'm not sure if there is a way to gauge what you called \"just right\" especially from a novice instructional design perspective. \u00a0I would imagine much is gained through hindsight, even though the instructional design situations, resources, outcomes, stakeholders, etc., change from project to project. Finding the balance between perfection and completion seems to be the struggle, well at least for me. \u00a0Whenever I'm working, in the back of my mind rings Raymond\u2019s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.unterstein.net\/su\/docs\/CathBaz.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Cathedral and the Bazaar<\/a>\u00a0and the idea of \u201crelease early, release often.\u201d \u00a0Is it possible to spend too much time in front-end analysis that resources are squandered for the next phase of development? \u00a0In the end, the work must get done, right? - and isn't there something to be said for having room to improve? \u00a0I think there is value in iterating towards the goal versus trying to hit a home run from the start.<\/em>","rendered":"<p>Online discussions in this course are considered an important learning activity because it offers everyone a chance to contribute their thoughts about the content we are studying as well as reflect on the ideas of others in the class.<\/p>\n<p>Engaging in a healthy discussion while employing\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.albion.com\/netiquette\/corerules.html\" target=\"_blank\">Netiquette<\/a>\u00a0builds community, allows students time to consider ideas and incorporate research into their response, and develops critical thinking and writing skills necessary for success at the post secondary level and beyond.<\/p>\n<p>It is important that each student cultivates an atmosphere of respect in both Primary Posts (your initial thoughts about the topic) and Secondary Posts (your responses to your classmates&#8217; Primary Posts).<\/p>\n<p>Although there are minimum word counts and posts expected to earn full credit, your posts should encourage a discussion, a back and forth exchange of ideas, that should strive to extend beyond the minimum requirements.<\/p>\n<h2>Tips for Online Discussions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Edudemic&#8217;s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/globaldigitalcitizen.org\/5-online-discussion-tips-for-students\" target=\"_blank\">5 Online Discussion Tips For Students<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Saint Paul University&#8217;s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/ustpaul.ca\/upload-files\/DistanceEducation\/Online_Discussions_tips_for_students.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Online Discussions: Tips for Students<\/a><\/li>\n<li>University of Waterloo&#8217;s\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/isites.harvard.edu\/fs\/docs\/icb.topic443476.files\/Tips_for_Online_Discussion.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Online Discussions: Tips for Students<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>The Primary Post<\/h2>\n<p>When developing your Primary Post, consider the topic of the discussion and incorporate what you learned about the topic in the module readings, videos, learning activities, etc.<\/p>\n<p>Strong Primary Posts should reflect not only your thoughts but also synthesize the content to support your ideas, generally through citing the authors, their works, and the pages\/paragraphs that resonated most with you. \u00a0You may also choose to incorporate ideas from outside the required content, just be sure to cite all sources appropriately, such as by using a reference citation, hyperlinks, or pasting the URLs to the content.<\/p>\n<h2>The Secondary Post<\/h2>\n<p>When developing your Secondary Posts, restate what your classmate has said about the discussion prompt to show you understand what they are saying, and then follow up with your own ideas and reflections about how their ideas impacted you.<\/p>\n<p>Strong Secondary Posts should show how you&#8217;ve considered the ideas of others and extended them into your own thoughtful consideration.<\/p>\n<h2>Examples of Strong Primary and Secondary Posts<\/h2>\n<p>The following offers an example of a Discussion Prompt, a student&#8217;s Primary Post, and a student&#8217;s Secondary Post response:<\/p>\n<h3>Example Discussion Prompt<\/h3>\n<p>Consider what you&#8217;ve learned about Concept Learning. What do you see as the main forms of concept learning in the Paul Lindley case?<\/p>\n<h3>Example Primary Post Response<\/h3>\n<p><em>Reviewing the Lindley case, I initially found a connection between designing the video game and instructional lesson plan materials for teachers with \u201cconcept classification\u201d in mind (Reigeluth, 1997, p. 8). For example, the concept of \u201cindividual rights versus the rights of the state\u201d (Watson, p. 49), would likely embrace designing instruction so students master the \u201chigher level concept..first, then teach its subordinate concepts\u201d either simultaneously or in sets (Reigeluth, 1997, p. 8). \u00a0Additionally, since the team wants the learners to feel in control of their learning, then the \u201ccriterion for mastery\u201d of the practice, in this case the video game, will need to be considered as well (Reigeluth, 1997, p. 9). \u00a0Although not in the required readings for this week, I did find the Morrison, et al, (2010) text helpful in developing Reigeluth\u2019s concept classification learning which discussed concept-related sequencing as four phenomena (Table 6-3, p. 140):<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Phenomenon 1: Class Relations &#8211; teaching characteristics of a class before teaching members of the class<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Phenomenon 2:\u00a0Propositional Relations &#8211; example provided first then the proposition<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Phenomenon 3:\u00a0Sophistication &#8211; begins with simple\/concrete and progress to complex\/abstract<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Phenomenon 4:\u00a0Logical Prerequisite &#8211; teach logical prerequisite concepts first<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Sources<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Morrison, G. 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